Je vous ai lus sur ce forum (et les autres aussi).
Merci !
J’ai le les livres: La vie des maitres et 13 leçons sur la vie des maitres. J’aimerais fortement trouver le livre “Ultimes paroles”..mais sans succès
pourriez-vous m’aider ? avez vous en version infomratique, ou alors connaissez-vous qqun qui pourrait le vendre ?

un grand merci pour votre aide,
amitié,
Melinda

Take Tennyson, who’s ‘Higher Panttheism’ is quoted by ‘Jesus’ in the Life and Teaching of the
Masters of the Far East.

Only a single phrase of that poem is quoted: ‘Nearer than breathing, closer than hands and feet’.

I think that most appropriate, since the whole of the poem is mostly bunk.

We have an inner editor, and that is ourselves most of all in any end or we have no goal at all.

As I’ve intimated before in my comments to this site heretofore, these books contain an inner
coherant principle, despite the fact no efforts by historical research seem to supply a concrete
conclusion as to their authorship.

I should think that the soul that leads us would be most careful to insure that nothing be adduced
that leads the clothing that has life to resent any sense of compulsion ere a true and mutual love
arise whereby the fool can laugh at himself and freely disolve that state into an higher one.

It is the Gordian knot. The mortal solution is akin to the one Alexander evinced: just take out
your sword and cut the knot asunder. Which is parable of the mortal experience. But the patient
might untie it, if they can resist the urge to come to some forgone conclusion in frustration and
thereby miss a great prize.

It’s all select to us, I suppose.

Frustration drives in two directions: either to a kind of madness; or by patience, quiet and
confidence, deeper perceptions and greater depth of reasoning and more intelligent action.

Some see a miracle, and run about shouting about it and that is where the perception ends.

Others see a wonderful thing, and keep quiet, and nurture it in their heart and wait and carefully
test the thing and see what other plants come up akin to the first perception.

Why dig up a good sprout?

Why kick at thorns?

We throw bad crops into the oven, the good crops we let grow.

Why advertise a mistake? Why put a good seed to risk by exposure to those opposed to something
one cherishes?

On the cusp on understanding the better part is to muse and think deeply, not begin shouting.

Not when there is a deeper thing afoot

17/
1. Your teeth are chattering, man Michel.
Dread has tautened your nerves
because, in a glance’s time, I have showed you the spectres’ abode.
2. It would have been better for them to rot away in the dust as aurochs worn
away by the years (long ago); but man is not aurochs.
I gave man the beast’s flesh, entrails and bones
as scaffolding
3. for his real body,
as light as a pure smoke,
that is not born of the mother’s womb,
but (that is born) of the (way of) life of the man already born
who begets himself into an infinite life
which he builds like a ship to head for the open sea.
4. If the scaffold is too early undermined
the ether of the uncompleted ship vanishes!
But if the scaffold remains upright long enough for the man,
a shipwright attentive to the Teacher,
to gain skill and taste, (and) put every effort into completing his work,
the King spares him his soul as a sail
so that he can catch up and join the Heavenly Fleet,
leaving his bleached bones behind on the shore.
5. If the shipwright is disobedient toward the Teacher,
lazy, dissipated,
more concerned for himself than for his work,
the Fire of Heaven will burn his sail;
his ship will be thrown into the depths
where it will drift along in (great) sufferings.
6. This I disclose to you in a parable,
for the living cannot understand such things,
but what matters chiefly is that the ones
whom you will report them to
attain salvation in fear
when they cannot attain it in joy.
Exerp from chapter 17 of the Gospel.

In French :
Evangile donnée à Arès 17/
1. Tes dents claquent, homme Michel,
l’effroi a bandé tes nerfs,
parce que, l’instant d’un regard, Je t’ai montré le séjour des spectres.
2. Mieux vaudrait pour eux d’avoir pourri tout entier en terre comme
l’aurochs abattu par les ans;
mais l’homme n’est pas un aurochs;
de la bête Je lui ai donné la chair, les entrailles et les os pour échafaudage
3. à son vrai corps,
aussi léger qu’une fumée pure,
qui ne naît pas du ventre de la mère,
mais de la vie de l’homme déjà né,
qui s’engendre lui-même en une autre vie infinie,
qu’il bâtit comme un vaisseau pour prendre le large.
4. Que l’échafaudage soit trop tôt sapé
et l’éther du vaisseau inachevé disparaît!
Mais que l’échafaudage reste dressé assez longtemps pour que l’homme,
charpentier à l’écoute du Maître,
acquière adresse et goût, fournisse l’effort pour achever son oeuvre,
le Roi lui gardera son âme pour voile,
pour qu’il rejoigne la Flotte Céleste,
laissant ses os blanchis en attente sur le rivage.
5. Si le charpentier est indocile au Maître,
paresseux, dissipé,
plus soucieux de lui-même que de son oeuvre,
le Feu du Ciel brûlera sa voile;
son vaisseau sera jeté dans les abîmes
où il dérivera dans la souffrance.
6. Je te livre cela par une parabole,
car les vivants ne peuvent comprendre ces choses,
mais il importe surtout que ceux
auxquels tu la rapporteras
trouvent leur salut dans la crainte
s’ils ne le trouvent pas dans la joie.

Bien à vous!

bien à vous

http://www.prevensectes.com/ares1.htm

http://www.rael.free.fr/75/revelationdares0.htm

On peut lire page 38 (PDF) de la Thèse du Docteur Armelle Guivier, ( Titre: Risques d’atteinte à l’integrité physique encourus par les adeptes de sectes) :
https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.miviludes.gouv.fr%2FIMG%2Fpdf%2Fthese_medecine_Guivier_Armelle_2007.pdf

les adeptes sont séduits par le charisme du leader, par son message, par le groupe, puis détruits ou déstructurés et entièrement reconstruits. Ils deviennent, à leur insu, des conditionnels prêts à croire, dire et fait tout et n’importe quoi.

You mention Swedenborg, who never allowed such latitude, but avowed all was true and beyond
contradiction.

However, he (Swedenborg) notes that miracles were ‘not allowed anymore’ due to the fact that such
things ‘compell’ and that ‘compelled beliefe’ is contrary to the nature of the soul or inner
spirit, producing in the end an opposite result: complete hatred of that which compelled it.

Let us suppose that the release of this information was cognisant of such a spiritual fact. It would
be neccessary that any reduction to ‘irrefutable fact’ of these things as by external means, would
only mean the receiver would shut them out eventually, and so there would be no point in their
production in the first place.

If, then, the spirit is the guardian of each one’s own soul and the life of it, I would think it
very telling as to the falsity of these stories had they been able to adduce material facts so as
to compell belief.

Well, then, so are we interested in life in our own spirit or in issues of material limitations?

If the latter, we have an abundance of systems of belief based on so-called ‘science’ that confirm
our disbelief in our own consciousness, since it cannot provide a single iota of information that
provides for it being at all in the first place.

That is the key point within much of the content of stories that purport to tell us of ‘God’ and
‘life’ and ‘death’.

Our only self verifiable and first-hand ‘scientific’ knowledge is: we are conscious.

Tons of stories want to tell us how we must regard this only known fact.

So Spalding seems not to be traceable. And this eraces our faith in consciousness? How?

Or we can rely on others who claim to have the ‘facts’ about consciousness, and they can footnote
their thinking on others just as lost as the reader.

Well, then, maybe just don’t read anything. Ask ourselves things. Rather than lose our selves
by running hither and thither to confirm whether or not we ought to delight in the message that
might be derived by a seer who wrote what he or she idealized.

I think it akin to all methods of intelligence. So that those with ears to hear will hear, and those
others will ignore it. Leaving it unharmed

http://www.prevensectes.com/ares1.htm

http://www.rael.free.fr/75/revelationdares0.htm

Cordialement

En effet je suis licencié en éducation physique de la faculté de médecine de Liège d’ou ma formation scientique.
J’enseigne à l’institut supérieur d ‘éducation physique mais je m’intéresse depuis peu à la mécanique quantique, à la musique….et je voudrais mourrir en conscience….

A bientôt

François